tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202906.post6441871681712007966..comments2024-02-18T19:36:43.844+11:00Comments on theatre notes: And what is this blog about, Cameron?Alison Croggonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08398213223487458758noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202906.post-14310779233233259272010-09-30T15:04:41.818+10:002010-09-30T15:04:41.818+10:00Hey Geoffrey, me not pro malthouse comment, nor am...Hey Geoffrey, me not pro malthouse comment, nor am I a gemini :)<br /><br />I like croggon, I don't like so much the bulk of work from malthouse as much, but the point, entire point I have tried to make all along is that irrespective of a positive or negative review, I happen to take things away from croggons reviews. Like Boyd - they contribute and even with a bad review, it is almost Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202906.post-56290663375673534152010-09-30T05:58:06.865+10:002010-09-30T05:58:06.865+10:00I think there are a number of Anons, Geoffrey.I think there are a number of Anons, Geoffrey.Alison Croggonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08398213223487458758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202906.post-11408964351633682072010-09-29T20:49:33.395+10:002010-09-29T20:49:33.395+10:00"Pro Malthouse"?! You have got to be kid..."Pro Malthouse"?! You have got to be kidding! Where can you find the evidence to back that slur up?<br /><br />"... submits to the national newspaper ..." – you really have no idea.<br /><br />I'm sorry I wasted so much time talking with you. You obviously haven't the faintest clue.Geoffreyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05409350618909242278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202906.post-9131867406549273152010-09-29T15:18:53.870+10:002010-09-29T15:18:53.870+10:00Guilty as charged on the recent slackness -- I'...Guilty as charged on the recent slackness -- I'm much less inclined to give it away when the paid work is so hard to find -- but Jesus H Christ anonymous [8:53 AM, September 29, 2010]... we're not doin' it for world domination or some other kind of tendentious agenda. <br /><br />People are a whole lot smarter than you imagine. They consume the media far more shrewdly. We get to Chris Boydhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18215203610745043810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202906.post-45380486653844124442010-09-29T09:28:54.366+10:002010-09-29T09:28:54.366+10:001: You clearly have no idea of the richness of the...1: You clearly have no idea of the richness of theatrical discussion online in Australia. There are already many other blog sites, and very good ones too, beside this one. For review blogs in Melbourne alone, try John Bailey's Capital Idea, Neandellus, Guerilla Semiotics, Chris Boyd's The Morning After (tho he has been a bit slack on updating). Handily, links are on the blogroll on the Alison Croggonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08398213223487458758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202906.post-33205365294242672112010-09-29T08:53:02.324+10:002010-09-29T08:53:02.324+10:00Bring on Cameron's blog I say. Can't wait ...Bring on Cameron's blog I say. Can't wait for some serious competition on the web. The fact that this particular blog is so stridently pro Malthouse, and that this in turn guides the choice,tone (and omission) of reviews the writer submits for the national newspaper suggests to me it's time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202906.post-32191215752059323942010-09-28T21:48:51.930+10:002010-09-28T21:48:51.930+10:00Anon? Are you a Gemini?Anon? Are you a Gemini?Geoffreyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05409350618909242278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202906.post-30059052196890095572010-09-28T21:44:39.981+10:002010-09-28T21:44:39.981+10:00Anonymous said...
As to the matter of comparison ...Anonymous said...<br /><br />As to the matter of comparison though. You don't compare two pieces of fruit when choosing one?<br /><br />No I don't Anon. I know the difference between an apple and banana.<br /><br />You don't compare 2 colours when painting the house?<br /><br />No I don't Anon. I've never painted a house in my life. I'm a renter. Someone else does it and Geoffreyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05409350618909242278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202906.post-44707272766708251762010-09-28T13:43:16.386+10:002010-09-28T13:43:16.386+10:00Just a reminder that civility is desired at all ti...Just a reminder that civility is desired at all times, even - or especially - when differences are robustly discussed...<br /><br />Thanks, fellas.Alison Croggonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08398213223487458758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202906.post-21920349064350792682010-09-28T11:17:41.861+10:002010-09-28T11:17:41.861+10:00As to the matter of comparison though. You don...As to the matter of comparison though. You don't compare two pieces of fruit when choosing one? You don't compare 2 colours when painting the house? You don't compare meals when you eat out with someone? You don't compare parties or girlfriends or nothing at all?<br /><br />BULLSHIT!!!!<br /><br />In life we necessarily make comparisons constantly, that is how we are able to Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202906.post-23232108366544872912010-09-28T11:10:13.532+10:002010-09-28T11:10:13.532+10:00You and me are on the same page!!! Sorry for goin...You and me are on the same page!!! Sorry for going you, but yes I know precisely that thing you speak of. That fact that Boyd seems to engage with the shows - and when he offers criticism so often it is as another artist offering constructive criticism. Yet I don't get that from Herbert.<br /><br />The word count thing is a bitch yes. But Boyd seems to manage it.<br /><br />Look, sorry ifAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202906.post-39835327494448283722010-09-28T09:52:22.243+10:002010-09-28T09:52:22.243+10:00I don't compare Anon, either in life or in my ...I don't compare Anon, either in life or in my writing ... so don't presume you know what I do, or think or how I process to back up your flimsy argument.<br /><br />A play of mine was reviewed by Kate Herbert. I disagreed vehemently with almost everything she wrote. But I wouldn't presume to say she is a 'worse' critic or a less-responsible critic for writing it. Herbert is asGeoffreyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05409350618909242278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202906.post-12185801711037934342010-09-28T09:08:23.167+10:002010-09-28T09:08:23.167+10:00I've got a feeling I've spliced two memori...I've got a feeling I've spliced two memories... same venue, two different occasions... <br /><br />Wot's that line from Lost Highway? I like to remember things my own way. How I remember them.Chris Boydhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18215203610745043810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202906.post-47427969803876793892010-09-28T08:54:14.809+10:002010-09-28T08:54:14.809+10:00And I'd no more liken myself to La Croggon tha...And I'd no more liken myself to La Croggon than leap the moon... a satyr to Hyperion an' all that. At best, I'm John the Baptist to her Christ! :-)<br /><br />I tend to sit out of these Groundhog Day beat-ups about reviewing. The last forum I went to -- can this memory possibly be true? -- Robin Usher and the Strawberry Girl Maudie Davey both spoke. (Maudie got off on Andrea Chris Boydhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18215203610745043810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202906.post-27908340440106341042010-09-28T06:25:21.021+10:002010-09-28T06:25:21.021+10:00I'm staying out of this. But I do have to say ...I'm staying out of this. But I do have to say that I've known Chris Boyd for around two decades now, and I find it quite impossible to imagine him dressing up as a sock puppet, per the accusations here.Alison Croggonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08398213223487458758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202906.post-27252389435059823512010-09-28T06:12:57.200+10:002010-09-28T06:12:57.200+10:00I'm not chris boyd. I am not anyone really. ...I'm not chris boyd. I am not anyone really. I just happen to read lots of reviews and yes, it is hard not to compare articles you read (in print or online). <br /><br />In the case of a review for the same show, especially when you have seen the show, to see how others have engaged with that work (especially in a public way, or even in a public and in a professional capacity) it is Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202906.post-57551351934255521772010-09-27T17:27:43.126+10:002010-09-27T17:27:43.126+10:00Heynonnymouse, not directly in response to your re...Heynonnymouse, not directly in response to your remark, but I wonder about this divide between criticism and art; I do not think art is primary and criticism is secondary, but rather take a two sides, one coin view. I can only back this view up with my personal philosophies and experience as a designer and student of fashion.<br /><br />I think discussing the criticism of art is as important as Tristan Sinclairhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03987594357760132040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202906.post-21151422432684535032010-09-27T16:09:52.007+10:002010-09-27T16:09:52.007+10:00Geoffrey - hear hear. If I had pom poms i'd wa...Geoffrey - hear hear. If I had pom poms i'd wave them for you. Perhaps Anonymous was Boyd all dressed up. Or not. Either way, a little bit of sick had arisen by the time I got to "good intentions."<br /><br />A question: Why has Woodhead's opinion been criticised/questioned/judged on this blog at all?<br />Ooh, here's another: Is the he said/she said really for the good of Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202906.post-63730876276967127922010-09-27T11:17:16.299+10:002010-09-27T11:17:16.299+10:00True comparisons are never quite that one-sided.
...True comparisons are never quite that one-sided.<br /><br />Potato, potarto, tomato, tomarto.Geoffreyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05409350618909242278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202906.post-40175899832694084082010-09-27T10:52:20.368+10:002010-09-27T10:52:20.368+10:00So, let me get this straight. It's perfectly o...So, let me get this straight. It's perfectly okay for people like Croggon and Boyd and Woodhead to make comparisons between artists, because they are critics and that's what critics do - but it's not at all okay to make comparisons between THEM. Seems a bit one-sided to me.Heynonnymousenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202906.post-19138415410081631162010-09-26T09:34:35.668+10:002010-09-26T09:34:35.668+10:00Jesus Anon! Are you waving pom-poms as well?
Alis...Jesus Anon! Are you waving pom-poms as well?<br /><br />Alison is a great writer, critic ... yes, indeed – and this blog is inspirational. But it actually does this blog and Alison a dis-service by demeaning Cameron and Kate in the process. Everyone inevitably suffers by comparison, and this entire conversation is really distracting from the fact that critics cannot exist without the Art. Geoffreyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05409350618909242278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202906.post-44827501289582384062010-09-26T06:50:25.033+10:002010-09-26T06:50:25.033+10:00At the end of the day Alison is a superior mind an...At the end of the day Alison is a superior mind and a reviewer with an intelligence far beyond that of Cameron. This is much like how I would compare Chris Boyd with Kate Herbert. In both cases, both Croggon and Boyd use their intellect, their heart, their souls and their good intentions to engage with the work they see. Always from a perspective as far as I can see of engagement with the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202906.post-64185575360859601122010-09-25T07:46:00.175+10:002010-09-25T07:46:00.175+10:00Thank you, J-Lo. I will keep it in mind. You never...Thank you, J-Lo. I will keep it in mind. You never know when you might want a name for an imaginary semi-precious stone...Alison Croggonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08398213223487458758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202906.post-11439375896811669802010-09-24T21:03:34.344+10:002010-09-24T21:03:34.344+10:00Alison - feel free to use "critisim" in ...Alison - feel free to use "critisim" in a future literary work of fiction!J-Lonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202906.post-38821902809636390282010-09-24T13:32:25.870+10:002010-09-24T13:32:25.870+10:00All the source texts are online, so you can make u...All the source texts are online, so you can make up your own mind, OP. No, I didn't misrepresent Cameron: it was clear during that debate that, despite some welcome openness here and there, he was there to assert the authority of print over digital criticism. He had a few shots at me, which were no less "misrepresenting". I think he did, however, get an unfairly hard time on the Alison Croggonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08398213223487458758noreply@blogger.com