tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202906.post5761750361962513894..comments2024-02-18T19:36:43.844+11:00Comments on theatre notes: Review: Die Winterreise, UndineAlison Croggonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08398213223487458758noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202906.post-65046265691611114672011-08-08T21:21:43.426+10:002011-08-08T21:21:43.426+10:00Didn't get to see Die Winterreise but your des...Didn't get to see Die Winterreise but your description of it did remind me of Kroetz's Request Concert in some ways - the sights,smells and sounds of an ordinary domestic evening, with a quiet desperation underneath. No Schubert in Request Concert though, just twenty minutes of low key listener requests. I think a lot of the power of that work was because it had no back story, no josnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202906.post-43432169104592510102011-08-03T09:15:05.161+10:002011-08-03T09:15:05.161+10:00I was thinking about that argument (ambitious fail...I was thinking about that argument (ambitious failure vs. parochial sitting-on-hands) while I watched DW. I think it holds water here. I agree not everything works, and I was kind of bored by the ideas and pondering how theatre made this and why. A lady on the way out descibed it as 'pretentious' and I think it came off as such... though I'm sure M.L would be completely disillusioned Richard Pettiferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00916298496154973547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202906.post-5711055947861576642011-07-31T09:41:15.448+10:002011-07-31T09:41:15.448+10:00I'd say that's a personal choice each of u...I'd say that's a personal choice each of us gets to make. For my part, I'd far rather see an ambitious failure than a work that succeeds because it sets its horizons one inch high. There's much more of that second type of work around, gobbling up far more oxygen. Look at the discussions around Joanna Murray-Smith's or David Wiliamson's plays this year...Alison Croggonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08398213223487458758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202906.post-31531924605659471072011-07-30T21:05:06.273+10:002011-07-30T21:05:06.273+10:00Alison, I think you were very plain speaking. And ...Alison, I think you were very plain speaking. And I'm sorry not to be quite as much. My distinctly emotional response is really about why we are even discussing a third-rate work and not just saying it doesn't deserve the space. You could say we have an onus to respond but maybe we (the 'community' more geneqeally) could sign a different pact: e.g., Let's just say that we&#Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202906.post-69077320389382284432011-07-30T19:45:45.408+10:002011-07-30T19:45:45.408+10:00Anon - I think when comments get to this kind of d...Anon - I think when comments get to this kind of detailed argument, it's courteous to have some kind of handle or identity, even if you don't have the chutzpah to stand by your own name.<br /><br />You don't think my review was plain speaking? I wasn't pulling my punches. Here's the paragraph in which I talk about the text:<br /><br />"Perhaps the worst misjudgment is theAlison Croggonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08398213223487458758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202906.post-31223953235185764322011-07-30T19:13:37.550+10:002011-07-30T19:13:37.550+10:00PS As usual refers to the gendered bank of "n...PS As usual refers to the gendered bank of "nice young boys' (as opposed to the blood bank or the transplant bank or the IVF bank) who stock 'OUR' professional theatre world. Mmm ... Yes, I'm angry but appreciate that we need to engage in dialogue rather than damn, Is there not, however, a place for plainspeak somewhere there? That being said, I think you said as much. It'Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202906.post-39180411703186648412011-07-30T19:02:50.916+10:002011-07-30T19:02:50.916+10:00Hey Alison
I am just very tired of saying this ar...Hey Alison<br /><br />I am just very tired of saying this artist is talented when there are so many other artists who never get a looksee in. And come on, you must admit, that that monologue by Matt Lutton's favoured writer collaborator, Tom Holloway, was probably one of the worse instances of taking a very finely constructed work (in1827) and dumbing it down to a flatly observed idea of a Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202906.post-42853819736753592672011-07-30T09:31:04.249+10:002011-07-30T09:31:04.249+10:00Hi Andrew - I wouldn't use Mamet, even on his ...Hi Andrew - I wouldn't use Mamet, even on his good days, as a model for enlightened explorations of gender... Good points, as far as they go: but for me the composer is a classic portrait of Romantic artistic struggle, right down to his destruction, and his gender, and the soullessness of the woman, and his struggle with his own desire for mundane relationship. The artist has to dismantle Alison Croggonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08398213223487458758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202906.post-54022179842794623862011-07-30T01:01:29.212+10:002011-07-30T01:01:29.212+10:00PS Talking about Die Winterreise.PS Talking about Die Winterreise.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202906.post-75032838084909915632011-07-30T01:00:15.883+10:002011-07-30T01:00:15.883+10:00Why can't everyone say that this is an extreme...Why can't everyone say that this is an extremely immature work by an immature artist? As usual, resourced beyond his means and everyone else's capacity. What bollocks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202906.post-36193526051043948572011-07-28T01:04:02.268+10:002011-07-28T01:04:02.268+10:00Wow, that's Loebner Prize-winning contribution...Wow, that's Loebner Prize-winning contribution from SDD, almost.<br /><br />It's an interesting suggestion, that there’s a lack of self awareness, but I don't necessarily agree that the 4Larks use the romantic feminine in an entirely uncritical way, although there's no doubt that they are well deep in their own romantic paradigm, with all those blood-and-cornflour sunsets and Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202906.post-23504721615473166402011-07-27T17:35:24.506+10:002011-07-27T17:35:24.506+10:00I haven't seen this, but while I'm reading...I haven't seen this, but while I'm reading it, it really touch my heart I was completely transfixed by Matthew Lutton. Hope I can watch this play.Search for Daily Dealshttp://www.odusee.com.au/daily-deals/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202906.post-17553084603521886852011-07-27T17:34:47.684+10:002011-07-27T17:34:47.684+10:00I haven't seen this, but while I'm reading...I haven't seen this, but while I'm reading it, it really touch my heart I was completely transfixed by Matthew Lutton. Hope I can watch this play.Search for Daily Dealshttp://www.odusee.com.au/daily-deals/noreply@blogger.com