tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202906.post1055794789436766207..comments2024-02-18T19:36:43.844+11:00Comments on theatre notes: "Sh*t self-righteous theatre bloggers say"Alison Croggonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08398213223487458758noreply@blogger.comBlogger69125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202906.post-45911668810352419232012-02-16T09:52:52.824+11:002012-02-16T09:52:52.824+11:00I forgot to add the smiley face to my last comment...I forgot to add the smiley face to my last comment Cameron, no offence intended.Rawcusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202906.post-70102565335461095282012-02-16T08:54:46.181+11:002012-02-16T08:54:46.181+11:00Hey, Cameron, we missed you. And thanks: excellent...Hey, Cameron, we missed you. And thanks: excellent piece. I'm so glad there's a sensible analysis in the broadsheets to right the record. Here's a <a href="http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/slagging-off-theatre-a-case-of-foul-play-20120215-1t6dt.html" rel="nofollow">live link</a>.Alison Croggonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08398213223487458758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202906.post-60951660628015694672012-02-16T05:47:35.129+11:002012-02-16T05:47:35.129+11:00Of course he isn't! Peter Craven only has one ...Of course he isn't! Peter Craven only has one love-child.<br /><br />(I know I resolved not to post comments here in 2012 ... but when you calls spirits from the vasty deep, they do occasionally come.)<br /><br />My contribution to the discussion is in today's paper, online at The Age website: <br /><br />http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/Cameron Woodheadhttp://cameronwoodhead.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202906.post-21916245083636806222012-02-15T22:54:37.229+11:002012-02-15T22:54:37.229+11:00Isn't Neandellus Cameron Woodhead's good t...Isn't Neandellus Cameron Woodhead's good twin?Rawcusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202906.post-43545932727667383442012-02-15T10:22:47.748+11:002012-02-15T10:22:47.748+11:00I wouldn't take offence at blogger. It sometim...I wouldn't take offence at blogger. It sometimes makes no sense at all.<br /><br />I wish Neandellus were blogging as often as he used to. One of the best. That link doesn't work, btw: <a href="http://neandellus.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">here's a live one</a>.Alison Croggonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08398213223487458758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202906.post-72274885209026858642012-02-15T10:00:23.872+11:002012-02-15T10:00:23.872+11:00Somehow that hurts more than having comments delet...Somehow that hurts more than having comments deleted :D<br /><br />Anyway, I've been thinking about the culture of the arts pages in other countries I know to some degree (such as Italy), and whether they would present a particularly low-quality kind of blogger as a curiosity (I stand by this assessment). And you know what occurred to me? No. But they would, as a curiosity, present something Janahttp://guerrillasemiotics.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202906.post-69217005318440398612012-02-15T09:50:49.266+11:002012-02-15T09:50:49.266+11:00Shock, horror, punctuation. Spam!Shock, horror, punctuation. Spam!Jananoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202906.post-6407009017935225892012-02-15T08:36:10.550+11:002012-02-15T08:36:10.550+11:00Sorry Jana - I hadn't noticed you were lurking...Sorry Jana - I hadn't noticed you were lurking in the spam. Up there now.Alison Croggonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08398213223487458758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202906.post-89328029546411039842012-02-15T04:04:46.206+11:002012-02-15T04:04:46.206+11:00Ooh, did I cross the line in my last, desaparecide...Ooh, did I cross the line in my last, desaparecided comment? I wish you made some note when you edit, Alison - I never know if I should moderate my language or spell the CAPTCHA better... :)Janahttp://guerrillasemiotics.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202906.post-11197651989253274092012-02-12T23:06:21.422+11:002012-02-12T23:06:21.422+11:00personally i try to limit my exposure to excrement...personally i try to limit my exposure to excrement.sourmugnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202906.post-31224385136329759502012-02-12T08:54:43.969+11:002012-02-12T08:54:43.969+11:00Now we're in a doomed spiral of repetition. Yo...Now we're in a doomed spiral of repetition. You'll forgive me if I bow out now; I'm bored, but you are perfectly welcome to talk among yourselves, within the bounds of libel, of course. Maybe read the post right at the top of this long column again, Anon: it explains all my reasons perfectly clearly. If it's a comfort to think I am jealous, you are free to do so.Alison Croggonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08398213223487458758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202906.post-47693842105987926392012-02-11T20:45:52.504+11:002012-02-11T20:45:52.504+11:00No Kim. It was an article about a theatre blogger....No Kim. It was an article about a theatre blogger.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202906.post-70067921450600751002012-02-11T18:59:02.038+11:002012-02-11T18:59:02.038+11:00No, Peter, we're talking about why a blogger w...No, Peter, we're talking about why a blogger with a small following and virtually unknown within the blogging community was given so much attention in a feature article about theatre blogging. I'd ask you to answer that question but I think Jana did that perfectly well on her blog.Kimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202906.post-5898909777472078512012-02-11T12:32:10.465+11:002012-02-11T12:32:10.465+11:00"I've resisted pointing out that Shit on ..."I've resisted pointing out that Shit on Your Play had, up to the publication of the Global Mail article ... gained as many hits - or maybe pageloads - in its entire life as TN averages in a month."<br /><br />Sadly, your post-script points even more into the jealousy theory. If only the story had profiled you. But it didn't. It's a story about Jane Simmons, a blogger in Peter Prattlenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202906.post-90641328461258315912012-02-11T10:47:30.688+11:002012-02-11T10:47:30.688+11:00You underestimate The Global Mail's readers I ...You underestimate The Global Mail's readers I reckon. As clearly outlined in Crittenden's piece and one more time for the dummies:<br />Maybe so, but low expectations are hardly what is inspiring the growing army of theatre bloggers in Australia. Writing in a wide diversity of styles, bloggers such as Alison Croggon, Diana Simmonds, Kevin Jackson, Augusta Supple, James Waites, Jana Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202906.post-19483973482321483042012-02-11T08:58:57.511+11:002012-02-11T08:58:57.511+11:00Maybe I should just sort out some of the argument,...Maybe I should just sort out some of the argument, because there are really two here. One complaint, the one I've been addressing, is that the article in the Global Mail, while claiming to talk about theatre blogging to an audience that for the most part will know little or nothing about it, chose to highlight a blog that does pretty much what the mainstream press has always claimed blogs do Alison Croggonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08398213223487458758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202906.post-24041353560248136832012-02-11T04:08:18.350+11:002012-02-11T04:08:18.350+11:00Yeah there's typos-it's late.Yeah there's typos-it's late.hadenoughskinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202906.post-81472703109259863422012-02-11T04:06:36.413+11:002012-02-11T04:06:36.413+11:00Alison, perhaps Jane has had-it-up-to-here. And le...Alison, perhaps Jane has had-it-up-to-here. And letting loose, BECAUSE she is a teacher-in contrast to one of the previous posters, it requires utmost diplomacy and self-control if one is to be good at it-especially when teaching drama.<br />To wonder at, and publish her place of employment is not really on I don't think. If they take action, I'll be first on the phone to tell them they hadenoughskinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202906.post-51892059862655092762012-02-11T01:51:19.685+11:002012-02-11T01:51:19.685+11:00Well, governess. I am often employed in order to t...Well, governess. I am often employed in order to teach younger people how to argue a point in a way that will give them, and their views, credibility in the wider professional world. It's very indicative (and troubling) that the Australian media's in-depth coverage of the arts focuses so often on the cases where the basic rules of civilised debate are abandoned. <br /><br />Ditto 'Janahttp://guerrillasemiotics.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202906.post-81532710272165856492012-02-10T14:05:27.810+11:002012-02-10T14:05:27.810+11:00But of course. The given arguments are just a cunn...But of course. The given arguments are just a cunning distraction. It's all really about envy, spite and frustrated ego.Alison Croggonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08398213223487458758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202906.post-27789629915682930982012-02-10T12:23:07.783+11:002012-02-10T12:23:07.783+11:00I don't think she was presented as 'the fa...I don't think she was presented as 'the face' of theatre blogging but we're getting very close to the reason you're pissed off.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202906.post-504848816597320162012-02-10T12:11:32.673+11:002012-02-10T12:11:32.673+11:00Everybody loves a bit of schadenfreude. And let...Everybody loves a bit of schadenfreude. And let's face it, if Shit on Your Play had been represented, not as the face of blogging, but as one of its faces, I seriously doubt that you'd have had this kind of fuss.<br /><br />"Stifled foyers" - not my experience of Melbourne, where the discussion in foyers tends to the uninhibited.Alison Croggonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08398213223487458758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202906.post-85859032219208087492012-02-10T11:40:25.164+11:002012-02-10T11:40:25.164+11:00I must say, I generally read the reviews in the ma...I must say, I generally read the reviews in the major publications and think wtf am I losing my mind, then check Shit on Your Play to make sure I'm sane and did in fact see...what I saw. Fabulous english. <br />Every now and then I read reviews, every now and troll the theatre blogs, generally to check up on friends in productions to make sure they're faring well, etc, but it is generallyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202906.post-12629188373192807572012-02-10T11:26:21.782+11:002012-02-10T11:26:21.782+11:00Hmm. Going back to the beginning, "perspectiv...Hmm. Going back to the beginning, "perspective" was precisely what was being asked for. The rest is a lively discussion on what reviewing and/or theatre actually is or might be. "Hysteria"? Really? <br /><br />Namechecking half a dozen bloggers (without links or any attempt at description) hardly counts as covering the diversity of blogging. Lazy reporting.Alison Croggonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08398213223487458758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7202906.post-76519373729710987132012-02-10T11:03:29.340+11:002012-02-10T11:03:29.340+11:00I don't actually know why you are all so offen...I don't actually know why you are all so offended. <br /><br />It seems to me you were all put off by the (exceptionally) bad and incorrect heading of the article. The piece itself is not really new and merely highlights a large number of peoples dismay at what they're seeing on the stages and reading in the newspaper. <br /><br />The article clearly says there are a number of blogs out Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com